Wikipedia talk:New user landing page/Archive 1

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Video Wikipedia talk:New user landing page/Archive 1

Do we need the "Welcome to Wikipedia!"

@Drewmutt, Forceradical, and NKohli (WMF): It seems a bit odd to me to start the page with "Welcome to Wikipedia!". If they've gotten as far as this page, they are probably relatively familiar with the site, i.e. they've created an account and either followed a redlink or tried to go directly to a non-existent page. What if we just got straight to the point and started with "The article that you're looking for doesn't currently exist"? Kaldari (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't have a strong preference either way. Your call. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Kaldari and Forceradical: Totally agree. I made some changes to the top copy here, since this is protected now. Welcome to thoughts, at the very least I agree that topmost line should be changed. Drewmutt (^?^) talk 21:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I like that version, Drewmutt. Addresses my earlier concerns@JJMC89:, would you be able to implement the changes suggested by drewmutt if no one objects? TonyBallioni (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

That looks good to me. I can import it if no one objects. Kaldari (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Maps Wikipedia talk:New user landing page/Archive 1

Template-protected edit request on 14 September 2017

<copyright violation removed>--Rgrrgrsd (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Rgrrgrsd. This was copied and pasted content, and as such, copyright infringement. Don't do that again. Your request above is not actionable. This page is for discussing the associated project page, Wikipedia:New user landing page, which is protected, but it not where any article content would go, and in any event, such article content cannot be copied and pasted from anywhere.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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Help button overlapping text

@Drewmutt: When the window is small, the "Get Help" button overlaps the "The article that you're looking for doesn't exist" text. I made the text slightly shorter in the meantime to mitigate the problem, but we should figure out how to get the text to wrap. Kaldari (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Alternately, we could remove the "Get Help" button. Kaldari (talk) 23:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

My vote is to dump it for now, it's in a weird place, anywho, imo. Drewmutt (^?^) talk 02:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

The "Get Help" button has been removed for now. Teahouse has already been linked anyway. Alex Shih^Talk 03:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Help desk

Please see this query about the help desk by Timothyjosephwood. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Template-protected edit request on 15 September 2017

Bymiguel09 (talk) 06:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

i wanna be administrator on wikipedia

Bymiguel109, this page is for discussing the new user welcome page. If you have questions about getting involved in Wikipedia the Tea House is the place to go. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Talk page protection

Alex Shih, this might be one of the rare occasions we want to semi-protect a talk page. I have a suspicion we'll be getting a lot of edit requests. Possibly with an page notice template of some sort directing people to the teas house? TonyBallioni (talk) 06:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: I agree. I've added a notice on top of this page and semi-protected the page. Alex Shih^Talk 06:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia: New user landing page

I'm told there's a way to remove this title from the page. It's not really helpful and it takes up real estate. Just a thought. Drewmutt (^?^) talk 19:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to be late at the discussion.It is my suggestion to the WMF team that instead of redirecting to a page it would be good if we could create a editnotice such as shown in this file commons:File:Wikipedia screenshot of page.png.Forceradical (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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It needs a link to the deletion log

For those who click on a red link. RhoLands (talk) 06:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• I agree; now that this page exists, it's possible to go all the way to creating a draft, without a warning that page with the same title has been deleted. It would have been better if the message at MediaWiki:Noarticletext (or is it MediaWiki:Noarticletext-nopermission?) had been changed instead of redirecting here. Peter James (talk) 21:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• Also if a non-autoconfirmed user has created a page before this trial and the page is moved to a different title or namespace or deleted, and that user clicks on the red link to find out what has happened to it, does it goes to this page or is there something that checks whether the user created the page and displays the log or a different message instead? Peter James (talk) 21:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  • As I said at WT:ACTRIAL adding the deletion log would be a net negative for the overwhelming majority of the 250k+ people who use this page daily: it's designed to be welcoming and show people how they can get involved in Wikipedia. The deletion log for pages created before ACTRIAL is a better point, but typically those users just go to the NPP person who tagged the article. It's also an issue that will sort itself out within a month, and I don't think is a good reason to alter what is a better design without it. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • If its purpose is to provide data to determine the effect of a change, I think it would it be better to avoid making other changes such as this that are likely to affect results. Peter James (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Another option is to link from the editnotice for the draft namespace, which could remain linked after the trial if it is likely to affect comparison - there would them be a link to the deletion log whether an article is created in the main namespace or not. Peter James (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
      • I would support finding a way to link draft space to main space deletion logs. I don't see it as an issue affecting the trial since the landing page itself is an equal part of the trial to the limitations on creation, but I see other positive benefits of linking to the logs from draft space. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ability to search

Please see [1]. It might be confusing to a new user if they were merely trying to search a term within Wikipedia, and aren't yet aware how to wait for the drop down that says "containing...". Can we add a button that links to Special:Search? Thanks! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 21:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Article wizard proposal

Just wanted to drop a note, since I imagine there's a good deal of interest overlap between this and the article wizard. The discussion is here, if there's any interest. Drewmutt (^?^) talk 01:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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Protected page edit request: Add icons and add early notice about acceptable articles

• Add icons for "Your first article" and "Need help" links. The bottom icons draw attention too strongly away from these important items.
• Less important: I suggest adding a Help:Menu entry to the list, for people who prefer self-searching.

Proposed replacement for the matching wikitext at the top:

• Before sending people to the Article Wizard, we should add simplified notice that non-notable articles won't be accepted. We really do need to repeat this as early as possible for new users.

After "you'll be on your way to contributing to Wikipedia" and before the DIV, insert a blank line and "Important: Your article will not be accepted unless you cite significant coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources."

Here's an interesting alternate icon that could be used for "Need help": Alsee (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alsee: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. It's an interesting proposal, but such a large change to a highly visible page needs some discussion first. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose those icons, and the layout. A lot of back and forth went into the current design: the sandbox is preferred by the editathon people, and the article wizard has steps that deter people from creating non-notable drafts. Drewmutt has suggested an article Wizard rewrite (you can find a link to the discussion above). That would probably be the best place to discuss changes like these rather than the landing page. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I just found the discussion on building the landing page. It looks like there was an small blue icon on the top section just before the end. I don't quite see why it was removed. Alsee (talk) 06:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Page view statistics

I found the drop in the page views by a few hundred thousand overnight to be interesting: [2]. My assumption here is that it was caused by IPs clicking on redlinks the first few days, but did want to point it out here in case anyone was curious. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

The tail end of this discussion shows that this bug and its correction did indeed coincide with the massive peak in page views between 15 and 18 September: Noyster (talk), 17:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Following on from this it may be interesting to examine changes to pageviews on pages linked to the new landing page. I have looked at three periods: Sept 8-14 (baseline), Sept 15-18 (when the landing page was offered to unregistered users), and Sept 19-25 (landing page offered to registered users only). The trends over the period can be seen graphically here.

Here are the figures for average views per day:

The indications are that around a quarter of newly registered users hitting the landing page were bent on creating an article; about the same number were interested in improving Wikipedia; there was no significant extra traffic to help pages, although some IPs went to look at live chat. It stands out that a couple of thousand IPs each day were interested in improving Wikipedia when this was offered as an option, enough to click through to the community portal: Noyster (talk), 12:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

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ACTRIAL-related question

The language on this page says, "You can create it, but...". However, in my understanding, which is incomplete, new accounts can't currently do so while ACTRIAL is underway. So if follow a redlink (or other means) and get directed here the language says I can, but in reality I can't? It is very likely I'm missing something and would appreciate it if someone could clarify. Thanks. Ckoerner (talk) 20:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ckoerner: New accounts can create the article in draftspace (or their sandbox) and submit it to be reviewed by an Articles for Creation reviewer, who will move it into mainspace should it be accepted. jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:41, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

@Jcc: Ah, I thought it was something like that I was missing. I appreciate the answer. Ckoerner (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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